August 19, 2007
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Personal Responsibility
My readers seem to be deserting me. I don't know if it's because I persist in trying to be a voice crying in the wilderness, politically speaking, or because I've had less time and energy recently to read THEIR blogs. Precious few have messaged me and said, "How are you, John? Are you all right? I miss you." Perhaps that's the nature of the internet. Actually, it's not too different from real life.Anyway, there's quite a thought provoking interview of Noam Chomsky at
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=105&ItemID=13555.The title of the interview is "Responsibility and War
Guilt: A Culture-setting Intelligentsia". Here's an excerpt of the interview:…What about degrees of
responsibility and shared burdens of guilt on an individual level? What can we
learn about how one views oneself often in positions of power or
authority?You almost never find anyone,
whether it’s in a weapons plant, or planning agency, or in corporate management,
or almost anywhere, who says, ‘I’m really a bad guy, and I just want to do
things that benefit myself and my friends.’ Almost invariably you get noble
rhetoric like: ‘We’re working for the benefit of the people.’ The corporate
executive who is slaving for the benefit of the workers and community; the
friendly banker who just wants to help everybody start their business; the
political leader who’s trying to bring freedom and justice to the world—and they
probably all believe it. I’m not suggesting that they’re lying. There’s an array
of routine justifications for whatever you’re doing. And it’s easy to believe
them. It’s very hard to look into the mirror and say, ‘Yeah, that guy looking at
me is a vicious criminal.’ It’s much easier to say, ‘That guy looking at me is
really very benign, self-sacrificing, and he has to do these things because it’s
for the benefit of everyone.’Or you get respected moralists
like Reinhold Niebuhr, who was once called ‘the theologian of the
establishment’. And the reason is because he presented a framework which,
essentially, justified just about anything they wanted to do. His thesis is
dressed up in long words and so on (it’s what you do if you’re an intellectual).
But what it came down to is that, ‘Even if you try to do good, evil’s going to
come out of it; that’s the paradox of grace’. —And that’s wonderful for war
criminals. ‘We try to do good but evil necessarily comes out of it.’ And it’s
influential. So, I don’t think that people in decision-making positions are
lying when they describe themselves as benevolent. —Or people working on more
advanced nuclear weapons. Ask them what they’re doing, they’ll say: ‘We’re
trying to preserve the peace of the world.’ People who are devising military
strategies that are massacring people, they’ll say, ‘Well, that’s the cost you
have to pay for freedom and justice’, and so on.But, we don’t take those
sentiments seriously when we hear them from enemies, say, from Stalinist
commissars. They’ll give you the same answers. But, we don’t take that seriously
because they can
know what they’re doing if they
choose to. If they choose not to, that’s their choice. If they choose to believe
self-satisfying propaganda, that’s their choice. But it doesn’t change the moral
responsibility. We understand that perfectly well with regard to others. It’s
very hard to apply the same reasoning to ourselves.In fact, one of the—maybe the
most—elementary of moral principles is that of universality, that is, If
something’s right for me, it’s right for you; if it’s wrong for you, it’s wrong
for me. Any moral code that is even worth looking at has that at its core
somehow. But that principle is overwhelmingly disregarded all the time. If you
want to run through examples we can easily do it. Take, say, George W. Bush,
since he happens to be president. If you apply the standards that we applied to
Nazi war criminals at Nuremberg, he’d be hanged. Is it an even conceivable
possibility? It’s not even discussable. Because we don’t apply to ourselves the
principles we apply to others.There’s a lot of talk about
‘terror’ and how awful it is. Whose terror? Our terror against them? I mean, is
that considered reprehensible? No, it’s considered highly moral; it’s considered
self-defense, and so on. Now, their terror against us, that’s awful, and
terrible, and so on.But, to try to rise to the level
of becoming a minimal moral agent, and just enter in the domain of moral
discourse is very difficult. Because that means accepting the principle of
universality. And you can experiment for yourself and see how often that’s
accepted, either in personal or political life. Very
rarely.
Comments (25)
well i personally am not big into politics. while i do try and read most of what you post. i just keep my viewpoints silent. but yes i do miss you. and am glad to see an update so i know you're still among the living.

I am sorry that I do not comment more.
Honest to God,I am shallow...politics are not my strong point.
I do however try to apply the same principles to myself in life that I expect of others.I see short commings in myself all the time though.
My machine allowed me in today....hooray! You're not the only one who's lamenting about no comments. Seems that a lot of people are going through the same thing. It's just the time of year. Things will get back to normal after Labor Day.
My computer goes back to the shop tomorrow so expect a longer silence from me. Hugs.
Internet communication is funny. When someone becomes quiet online, I usually feel that it would be rude of me to send them a private message asking them if they're ok in real life. I think we're all still developing a code of etiquette about that stuff. I've thought about writing a post about it many times... but I'm still trying to figure out the right way to do things here myself.
This is a great post you have here. It's taboo to say things like that you know... We (the US) just don't talk about our improprieties, mistakes and outright crimes against humanity. Those don't make it onto Fox News.
How are you, John? Are you all right? I miss you.
We seem to live in the "cover up country" even while exposing
other countries' weaknesses. People really don't want to feel
like they have a moral responsibility because in accepting that
we tend to carry a heavy conscience about inaction. This brings to mind
the many young people who come home for leave or have finished their tour
of duty only to one day take a gun and blast out their brains...now this tells
one that these youngsters have seen actions that are not normal or morally right.
War has always been nasty business laid on the backs of the poor in order for them
to care for their families even though it is voluntary we all want a better life and
for some this is it.
In the end...who is held responsible for this human mound of carnage?
'I believe America may totally succumb to the fearful militarisation which engulfed Germany at the beginning of the 20th century. There is real danger that political power and the power to influence the minds of people will pass increasingly into the hands of the military, which is used to approaching all political problems from the point of view of military expediency. Because of America's supremacy, the military point of view is forced upon the world.'
'In all countries power lies in the hands of ambitious power-hungry men. This is true whether the political system is dictatorial or democratic. Power relies not only on coercion, but on subtle persuasion and deception through the educational system and the media of public information. One can only hope there are enough people the world over who possess the integrity to resist these evil influences. What is important is that individuals have the honesty and courage to stand up for their convictions.'
ALBERT EINSTEIN
Thanks for the nice article. I'm not well-versed in politics but do feel strongly about it. Still the feeling is different than action, and as far as action goes, I've done nothing except send out a few emails.
Yes, there is a strong sense of guilt and shame when considering my own inaction. However, I'm not so hypocritical as to say that I'm not going to war so I can do my own part in the society. I'm not in the war because #1 I don't want to die/suffer, #2 this war isn't justified. 99% of #1 and 1% #2. I guess that makes me a coward, but perhaps it's because I'm a woman -- I'm not ashamed to admit it.
I also would like to share my friend's email, titled "Our Artificial Sense of Reality":
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Regardless of where you stand on the war in Iraq, most of us have been relatively uneffected by it and most of us really have no real sense of what it is like over there. Unfortunately, the repetitive nature of the daily news coverage of the war has inadvertently desensitized us to the human costs of war. As far as I know, only the Newshour with Jim Lehrer on PBS shows the names and faces of our fallen at the end of each night's broadcast.
The link below leads to a very brief documentary by award-winning photographer and filmmaker Sean Smith, who spent two months embedded with US troops in Iraq.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/video/page/0,,2125978,00.html
As our discourse about the war continues and intensifies, it's important that we are able to relate the empty rhetoric of "talking heads" back to the realities on the ground.
I miss you John.
Speaking of personal responsibility, "Precious few have messaged me and said, "How are you, John? Are you all right? I miss you." works both ways.
You are not the only voice crying out in the wilderness and besides I thought you left xanga.
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Word up, John,
I hope you never feel that I have deserted you, man.
I do empathize because I cannot think of very many people I know who get back in touch with me as much as I follow through with them.
I have 9 more minutes at the library, and I have 5 other windows open. I just wanted to comment to let you know that you are not forgotten. I will read your post at length and respond again as soon as I can.
-DI Edifice
i think the desertion comes because too few people contact someone FIRST.... sad commentary
ryc: Yes, 100 hours in one month.
It's true, very true.
ryc- I've known a lot of people who said they had similar dreams to mine when they were my age... Sometimes it makes me worry that I won't acheive my goals... sometimes it just strengthens my resolve to really do it! I keep thinking how great it would be to actually do it and get to show people that it's possible to make it happen!
ryc: hey! I never said it was exhaustive. Just a start, and better than any of the other places I've seen .
How are you, John? Are you all right?
hahaha,,,, i can copy and paste,,,,
"Our terror against them?"
hahahahahaha,,,, who you been talking to?
actually,,,,, i dont really have a beard,,, im just too lazy to shave,,,,, i buzz it off every few weeks,,,, and checking my pic,,,,, hahahahahaha does kind of look like i have a beard,,,, i guess its about time,,,
the mustache i have on purpose,,,, but,,,, it too needs a trim,,,,, when i get more food in my mustache than my mouth when im eating,,,, its time for a trim.
Sooooo....where you at?
I wouldn't desert you, John. I just haven't had any time for xanga lately.
Thanks for your input.
Surely in western philosophy all morality is simply relative. In the US that's accelerated by a belief in individualism. So justification is the order of the day.
well, to be perfectly blunt... if you don't have time and energy to read their blogs... why should they concern themselves with you?
ryc: but of course.
It's NOT just one question. She failed to answer all the other questions!!!!!!!!
And of course no one knows that "henge" means "round". But if you are on Jeopardy, you should be smart enough to induce that fact from Stonehenge's roundness!!!! Unforgivable! Anrtichrists's secretary of education is an absolute dizzbrain and NCLB is an absolute disaster!!!!!!!
actually the myspace page has been gone for about 7 months. i just have so many other things going on. for instance i am preaching tomorrow at church.
... and i do miss talking to you. you do check up on me ... thanks
It isn't forgetting you. It is losing track of time and not having time for reading on Xanga. S
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