January 12, 2008
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Hillary's "Emotional Moment"
I got carried away writing a comment over on civildis' blog, so I decided to make my comment a blog entry here. Hope you don't mind. I'm such a lazy writer that I always try to "kill two birds with one stone".
I've been thinking quite a bit about Hillary's "emotional moment",
trying to be totally honest about my own response to it and also trying
to decide what would be an appropriate response. Among other things, I'm attempting to walk the very thin tightrope between inappropriate sexism and legitimate analysis.We tend to hold our national politicians to impossibly high and artificial standards. I certainly don't think that emotion is always inappropriate, and I think Hillary's
relatively minor display of emotion was somewhat exaggerated and distorted by her
critics for their own political ends. I cry too, a lot more than Hillary did there in New Hampshire, though of course I'm not a public figure. I don't think
strength and emotion are mutually exclusive. Not at all.We're also somewhat selective about how we respond to emotion in our politicians, depending on how we perceive them in general. We as a nation seemed to rather like it when Bill Clinton would bite his lip and say, with ostensible sincerity just dripping off of him, "I feel your pain." Now in retrospect we know that he probably didn't really feel anyone else's pain all that deeply; he was just a pretty darned good actor. But we liked him as a person, just as we liked Jimmy Carter before him. A bit of emotion was permissible from them.
On the other hand, politicians like Richard Nixon, Al Gore, and Hillary Clinton are generally perceived, for legitimate or not so legitimate reasons, as being stiff, stern, unfeeling, uncaring. Should they happen to display a bit of "softness", we don't quite know what to make of it.
All that said, I had this vague feeling that Hillary's "emotional moment" was somewhat bogus
and exploitative, but I couldn't understand quite why until I began to
examine the CONTEXT in which Hillary got emotional. I'm not convinced
that anyone has done that satisfactorily, though Jesse Jackson Jr.
provided me with a hint. She did it in reply to a question about
herself. The questioner, another woman of approximately Hillary's age, asked in essence and very empathetically, "How do you
do it, woman? How do you make yourself get out of the house?"Now
good God. It wasn't a question like, "How do you feel about all those
Iraqi children getting killed and maimed needlessly for the past 17 years?" Or
"How do you feel about the way the poor have suffered since Hurricane
Katrina?" No, it was a self-referential question, and a relatively
banal one at that. And Hillary exploited it for her own purposes. The question allowed Hillary to feel sorry for herself.You heard me correctly. At
the risk of incurring the wrath of all women everywhere, I submit that Hillary's
emotion was a form of self-pity, and it was one that only a woman could
get away with. She was saying, in essence, "Yes, I am deeply touched
by my own heroism. I am an incredible, incredible woman, and it makes
me cry just to think about it." Of course, I'm sure she was thinking about all of the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune that she has suffered through her years as a public figure. But it was still an expression of self-pity. She wasn't crying for Iraqi children, or indeed for America.Think about it. What would have
happened if Hillary had been a male politician, asked the same question
and responding in similar fashion? "How do you do it, John McCain?
How do you make yourself get out of the house in the morning?" In reality we can't even IMAGINE anyone ASKING a male politician such a ridiculous question, but bear with me. Suppose McCain had teared up and said, "It's...it's because I care so very deeply."
People would have thought he was nuts, and that would have been the end of his candidacy. He's not even allowed to cry
about being tortured in Viet Nam, for God's sake. Bravery for a man is quite a different thing than it is for a woman. So is emotional display.I'm reminded of an experience I once had with my mother, who was a veritable expert at self-pity and at making her life seem heroic. (And I confess that my reactions are colored to an extent by having been raised by her.) I was already an adult by this time, in my thirties. Sitting on the family sofa one evening, my mother said, a propos of nothing, "You know, I've had the hardest life of any woman I know." My dad and I just looked at each other. As usual it was I who dared to speak, to my detriment. I didn't say ALL that I was thinking, which was this:
My mother raised only one child, me. After she had me she never worked outside the home, and she barely worked INSIDE the home. My dad did fully half of the housework in the evenings and on weekends, in addition to his full-time job, and he did it without complaint. My mother, on the other hand, after doing a little housework in the morning, watched a couple of soap operas while eating her lunch, then retired to her bedroom, where she watched another soap or two while eating chocolate candy before taking a nap. Between three and five PM she emptied three cans into three saucepans and heated them up; that was dinner. And that was it for her. In the evening she watched more TV. On the weekends she'd give my dad a lengthy list of chores to do, which included virtually all of the shopping, home maintenance and lawn care, endless painting, etc. My mother was the "organizer" in the family; she sat in the house and made lists of things for my dad to do. And she courageously pecked my father on the cheek as he left the house to go and perform his assigned tasks. That was her "hard life".
I also thought about other women I had known, women who had raised six kids, often with absent or abusive husbands, while working full-time jobs and getting college degrees, all at the same time. No, my mother didn't have the hardest life of any woman she knew, not by a long shot. But my even daring to suggest that she might be exaggerating just a tad made her burst into tears of self-pity and imagined self-sacrificing heroism.
And that, I submit, was analogous to the context in which Hillary Clinton had her "emotional moment" in New Hampshire. Women resonate with it, because the bar of "heroism" and permissible emotional display is set so low for them. Men just look at each other and try to keep their mouths shut.
Now feel free to tear my head off, ladies. Or educate me, as you see fit.
Comments (44)
Actually, i agree with you...the only comment i would disagree with is the statement "women resonate with it....".You and the media are making a foolish mistake that all women are taken with Ms. Clinton and her campaign...i am one who is not (no surprise) and most of the women i know are not (huge surprise...as most of the women i know are democrats). now, if your discription of your mother is true and accurate (and i have no reason to think otherwise), it explains a lot to me some of your attitudes....you have my condolences.
I agree with you. She sounded whiny to me. The woman decided to be a politician. That removes her right to whine about long hours and politician lifestyle. Period. End of story. I don't want to hear my doctor whine about how hard school was. I don't want to hear the president whine about how hard his job is and I don't want to hear Hillary whine about people not understanding her feeeeeelings... I picked to have a bunch of pets. That means I don't get to whine about having to get up early to take care of them. I don't go around whining about cleaning up after my creatures... because I picked to do that and it's a fair trade for all the positive things I get out of the experience. If I hadn't already been against Hillary, that whiny attitude would have done it for me.
I actually agree with your general point about Hillary, and I also agree that this is a stupid ass question that would only be lobbed by a woman at a woman. I don't like your implication that this sort of self-pity/exaggerated martyrdom is something that is only the province of women, although I agree that it is more expected and tolerated from them. Or that all women fell for Hillary's show. I know it may be hard to believe, but some of us do know better. And many of us don't act like this.
I live in Iowa. Hillary came off as stern and forceful and set in their ways. So did Chris Dodd and Joe Biden. Their campaigns were about how much we needed them and their expertise. I'm sure they would better presidents than any Republican but they are not change. Obama's change is that he is not going to scare people into voting for him. He says right up front that he needs us. If she had been a man Hillary might have done even worse in Iowa in my opinion. I'm a feminist and the women from NOW came to ask me why I wasn't supporting her. I said that she wasn't inspirational and seemed like a robot and that I was tired of hearing Bush bashing and fear mongering. Then came the tears. Maybe a coincidence. It will be more of a contest now because she is the only stern candidate. People who liked Dodd and Biden now like her best. Interesting times.
i am enjoying this....tremendously....
Interesting take on things, but I don't think the bar for heroism is set THAT low for women - the standards are just different. It might not be that they survived Vietnam or saved little Jimmy from a burning house, butlike you mentioned, some women had to raise 6 kids by themselves after leaving their abusive husbands, etc etc, and something tells me that women who have survived this much (and there are quite a few) are a lot less likely to blubber about small problems because they know what real troubles are like.
I also think "how do you get out of bed in the morning?" is such a ridiculous question that Hillary should have made the reporter cry for her sheer stupidity. But anyway...
whoops, sorry, messed up the italics there. ^^;
I agree with you. Perhaps I am biased though, as there will never be a politician that I trust or who I think is genuine. There are a lot of people who see themselves as victims throughout their lives. Self pity is contageous as well. Dale Carnegie said that even the most vile criminal sees himself as a good person who is misunderstood. I think there's truth in that. I wonder if America will actually vote for a woman to lead this country?
I don't like your implication that this sort of self-pity/exaggerated martyrdom is something that is only the province of women, although I agree that it is more expected and tolerated from them.
i'm with her, really.
I agree. We are all human, and have our emotions to deal with; men are better at handling emotions, because of the way they've been brought up, for centuries. She had a weak moment, should she be chastised?
wow...ummm....first of all, women cry. They just do. You may have experienced a few women who were manipulative about it but most women hate crying. It's seen as weak. In real life it's more okay for women to cry than men so there is a double standard there. But there is a different double standard in the political world. You alluded to it, but would John Edwards be questioning the ability of Biden to handle the tough job of being president if he would have been the one who choked up? Men and women are different and the idea that a women must become like a man in order to be qualified is absurd to me.
This whole media explosion is driving me crazy. First, she didn't cry. Second, her emotion may have been genuine, it may not have been but the idea that woman voters are so stupid as to change their vote because they saw a woman get sad is so inherently sexist I don't even know what to do with it. I'm sorry about your mother, I really am, but I hope you won't judge all women through that lens...
Erm; How do you get out of bed in the morning John?... I've always wondered......
T.x
"...would John Edwards be questioning the ability of Biden to handle the tough job of being president if he would have been the one who choked up?"
Yes, absolutely, emphatically. Especially in response to the type of question that was asked.
Remember Howard Dean from Vermont? Remember how his brief shout of exultation upon winning a primary, caught by television cameras and endlessly replayed just like Hillary's "gaffe", was deemed so inappropriate that he had to drop out of the Presidential race? In general we in America respond negatively to almost ANY display of emotion in our politicians - male OR female - other than (a) naked aggression against "Islamofascists" and other "evildoers" or (b) excitement at a sporting event.
"...the idea that woman voters are so stupid as to change their vote because they saw a woman get sad is so inherently sexist I don't even know what to do with it."
Except that a number of female voters, as well as some male voters, have actually expressed publicly that they were inclined to change their vote (one way or the other) after seeing Hillary express emotion. Does the fact that a few male voters have expressed such a sentiment make it less sexist, or not? American voters are, by and large, an uninformed and easily-swayed bunch. Maybe just not those who read my blog.
"I'm sorry about your mother, I really am, but I hope you won't judge all women through that lens..."
Thanks. I'm working on it.
You can keep your head ,and I give you credit for sharing the life experiences which may well have colored how you responded to this incident. I will not be voting for Mrs.Clinton unless it is a choice between her and a Republican ,and I agree with you that she did tap into some self pity , but to her credit she was shrewd about it.She gets knocked for being tough ,and now pinched for being emotionsl.What about Nixon and his remarks suggesting he was a victim? Remember him pouting like someone had abused him when truth started to catch up with him? What about John Edwards' wife who is just one example of how emotionally generous many women are. This idea that men are stoic and women self indulgent with their feelings is twisted. We will be what we want to be if we actively question stereotypes.You seem to be buying into one ,and you I know to be a man who usually doesn't.I do like how this election process is getting some decent conversations started. Peace.
"She (Hillary) gets knocked for being tough, and now pinched for being emotional."
Definitely an unjust paradox. I can't speak for others; what _I_ want to see in a political candidate is toughness in the service of wisdom, depth of understanding, compassion and empathy for ALL human beings. I don't see that in Hillary. Obama to me comes the closest (next to Kucinich and of course Ralph Nader), but he is something of an enigma and it may be all hype.
"What about Nixon and his remarks suggesting he was a victim? Remember him pouting like someone had abused him when truth started to catch up with him?"
Yep. Pure lying self-pity. Nixon was a despicable human being.
"What about John Edwards' wife who is just one example of how emotionally generous many women are? This idea that men are stoic and women self indulgent with their feelings is twisted."
Excellent points. I'm glad we're having this conversation.
Nice post!
i think hill was tired. she has been trained to control herself on the political issues. i think she should have been moved that someone was interested in her personally. she never gets asked about herself. cut her some slack.
I feel similarly, but lacked the nerve to say so at my blog. (I did say so out loud at our Open House Tuesday night. Agreement was mixed.) Thanks to soonaquitter for pointing me here.
If Billary made it in office (Again) it would be a little humorous to hear verbal crap from her like "I'm forgainst it" and "It's a right ring conspiracy". But other than that it's going to be "Duck and cover kiddies! The gullible of America let her in again!"
Err. I mean Right Wing not right ring... err.. anyways... oops
"i think hill was tired. she has been trained to control herself on the political issues. i think she should have been moved that someone was interested in her personally. she never gets asked about herself. cut her some slack."
Another perfectly reasonable comment. Thanks, Marla.
yes, many voters are stupid and it drives me crazy
but I think the media blew this whole "story" out of proportion, trying to figure out how they got their NH predictions wrong...it's just a little insulting to me
As for Dean, it wasn't that he showed emotion, it was that he looked like a crazy person! Seriously, everytime I hear that clip I can't stop laughing. She wasn't wailing like a madwoman she got choked up just like Bill Clinton and GW did while in office.
She's not my favorite democrat and some of the crap she gets is justified but so much of it is just disguised sexism that it's kind of a sore spot for me
I don't know enough about the story to have a view either way, but I think this is an excellent, well-thought-out analysis. Thanks for taking the time!
Oh, I don't know. Seems like it happened like four years ago. Did they ever do Kucinich's recount to prove that the disparity with the polls was because of fixed voting machines? Ron Paul certainly has a right to ask a recount, certain districts with the optical scanner gave him "zero" votes (Sutton, NH) when the paper trail said "22 votes". Guess we will never know, the New World Order puppeteers can't have us not having their Democratic counterpart on a string after all.
man, this has been a wonderful, thought provoking post...i disagree that Dean was penalized, not for showing emotion, but for looking like a crazy person...have you seen the pictures the media has posted on every candidate out there? (the only time they have been unbiased, i might add)...they all look deranged at one point or another...it was the wearing his emotion on his sleeve that sank him (well, that, and he was a boob)....
Well, i'm a woman....one of those "had to be a tough single mom" women. i am also emotional and can understand that a bid for the presidency *must* be difficult. i do, however, agree with you....the crocodile tears were timed and manipulative. i wouldn't have voted for Hillary before....and she's still not an option for me.
btw.....thanks for coming by. i thought i'd already commented here, but must not have been awake yet
"Definitely an unjust paradox. I can't speak for others; what _I_ want to see in a political candidate is toughness in the service of wisdom, depth of understanding, compassion and empathy for ALL human beings. I don't see that in Hillary. Obama to me comes the closest (next to Kucinich and of course Ralph Nader), but he is something of an enigma and it may be all hype."
Great post! (comment too)
I don't doubt that Hills was worn out. But... she has quite often come across as a political opportunist, so it's quite hard for me to believe that this is just an isolated instance of pure honest emotion.
i actually appreciate your honesty regarding your reactions to clinton. everyone will have their own reactions and opinions to political events and it's refreshing to hear someone admit that their reactions may have something to do with their own upbringing and women in their own lives. personally, i didn't really hear her entire "breakdown," so i don't have much of an opinion about her. it doesn't matter anyway cuz i want obama to win.
You have a very interesting post here. I enjoyed reading all of the comments. I am personally undecided about I think of Hillery's show of emotion. I thought she reacted like a normal over tired kid! However, I'm not a big fan of hers so might look at the situation with a little bias
Well said, sir...
I was disgusted by the whole fiasco. But then again that might be attributed to me supporting Obama so much...
But still, even if I try to look objectively at the situation...it seems so stupid that people would vote for her for as you said showing some self-pity. I guarantee that ish was set up...show that she's human or something. Imagine it, a human showing that's she's, uhhh, human...
What the deuce?
RYC, both of them, gotta say I completely agree with you...
As far as music goes, I guess I'm in the Jazz, Gospel, R and B, realm of things...
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You're right about Howard Dean. People who witnessed it said it never happened--he was just projecting his voice over the noise. yet the media ate him alive for it. Double standard.
i'm not sure about your interpretation of the context. Maybe it was self-pity, but what i heard was "We're fighting for the good of the country and if we lose, i just can't imagine how bad things are going to be. It makes me want to cry."
Oh well whatever she meant, she did show a softer side. My only question really is whether it was sincere emotion, or was it just a calculated campaign move. Is she as good an actor as her husband?
i don't know, but the "emotional moment" was the only reasonable explanation i've heard for the discrepancy between the early opinion polls and the voting results. Intentional or not, it worked.
ryc: generalizations???? hahahahaha,,, no,, i wasnt there. if it never happened then it shouldnt have been mentioned. if it did happen,,, as stated,, then they should have been blown out of the water instantly. whether they were iranians, or mexicans, or oklahomians. who they were would be irrelevant. because they happen to be iranians (in the story) (which i did not write) (there is a verifiable link at the bottom) i do not hold myself responsible for the content of the article.
the story didnt lead me to believe anyone was defending anything. hahahahahaha,,, was 911 a dense move made by saudi arabia? i guess there are those among us who would say yes,,, haahahahahaha.
now,, i may have had a hand in assisting billybob with his current story on routersnews's site. but i dont believe iranians nor mexicans were mentioned in the article....
hahahaha,, now let me read your post.
good post. i wouldnt know anything about it as i pay no attention to the elections. and altho it is really a fake post it carries the name commander in chief. there is no room for emotion.
anyone displaying emotion while seeking the post should be removed from contention immediately on the off chance they may be elected.
just like a peace officer is not allowed emotion nor can a commander in chief. once emotions are in control the single individual becomes judge jury and executioner of ,,,,, whatever the question is.
you dont want officer oreily turning a blind eye nor gunning down a suspect depending on his emotions at the time.
i would suspect you wouldnt want a commander in chief displaying qualities you wouldnt demand for a normal,,, hired,,, public servant. if so,,, shame on you,,, and you know what jr says about that. hahahahahahaha.
lol, I've actually considered that title. But then I'd be set up for Leviticus as a title, lol, and I don't know how an album of rules would play out.
I didn't know about the 50th Anniversary of Exodus...Can't believe it's been that long...
I love that song though...as well as pretty much anything else Bob Marley sings, lol. I'll have to find a way to incorporate that
I did try to post earlier, but my pc was having issues. I saw the "drama" she performed, and I totally agree with you. In the same vein however, in looking at your moms story...I must say as a single mom, that she may have been in a depression, which is easy when you are at home all the time. Sometimes you just don't feel like you have much of a purpose, or are accomplishing much, and trust me...housework does not give that feeling of satisfaction to everyone. There are some women that are just into cleaning...and some that are not, and when you are at home all the time, and don't really socialize much...it can lead to that state of depression.
At the same time, I did a reevaluation on myself as a result of your moms story. I don't agree with the pity me role, and I don't agree with one spouse being left with the work of two, as I as a single mom am currently in that position with no help. It's not an easy place to be.
I think if your mom did nothing but waste time on t.v., she was most definitely in a state of depression and perhaps even lazy, and felt she really didn't have much value. She may have played the pity role, but as a horse with blinders on, meaning...they can still see but the view is somewhat skewed. Depression can do that.
A person that comes to mind with the skewed self-congratulatory or "I-work-so-hard" false ideology is Paris Hilton. This woman believes she has talent, when in reality, she is fully conscious of the fact that her fame is only due to daddy's name and money, and has no relevance to any particular talent of hers. She's just a waste of space in the grand theme of things, and I think she's aware of it, but attempts to cover up her lack of purpose with a lot of partying and media attention antics; anything to draw focus off the fact that she really has no function. Perhaps this is what your mom did also. Btw...I did respond to your comment on my site. Thanks. Peace and blessings.
This, like every other thing that woman does, was intentionally cultured to claim votes. Her campaign managers read in the polls that America sees her as a cold battle axe and she'd be more attractive to us if she showed a little more emotion. So, she cried "off camera" and then allowed herself this little "slip" here and we are expected to see that she's just as human as the rest of us.
I didn't see it so I can't comment.
I do want to comment on: "We tend to hold our national politicians to impossibly high and artificial standards." I don't think it's only politicians I also think it's doctors and lawyers or any other profession we hold in high esteem. I recently met a female osteopath -- and the surprising thing to me was that instead of putting on the mask of what was expected of her, she chose to take the higher road (IMHO) and represent herself as she is and she was honest.
John,
You and I have discussed how Hillary panders to whatever audience happens to be in front of her scary face. If I needed a very shrewd and high-priced corporate attorney, I'd hire Hillary Clinton in a heartbeat. But as I told my mother (who is someone prudish, as you recall), I think Hillary Clinton is a conniving, frigid bitch who has absolutely no concern for the wellbeing of the people she is trying to con into voting for her. My mother took no offense at my terminology and expressed agreement with what I said.
The conversation went downhill when the subject turned to Ron Paul (my favorite Presidential candidate). Like you and others, she doesn't grasp Libertarianism and thinks those who espouse it are silly. We managed not to argue when I pointed out that Rep. Ron Paul has some of the same problems communicating his ideas that Ross Perot did several years ago. When aou want to convince people to vote for you, you are well advised to start from a moderate as opposed to extreme position. This is one of the reasons that slavery was not abolished in the original U.S. Constitution -- to do so would have been a deal breaker.
Unlike most libertarians I know, Hillary Clinton has no shred of integrity. She'll fuck over anyone in her quest for political power. When she says one thing, you can place a fairly safe bet she'll do another thing or contradict herself further along the campaign trail. She isn't even a real liberal democrat, as she goes whichever way the wind blows. Very different than Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton is never amusing.
She strikes me as very dangerous as a politician. Her fake crying jag did not come as a surprise although I have yet to see it on video.
Just previous to the "how do you do it?" question, she was also asked who did her hair, for Christ's sake. First, I don't believe for one minute that you are sexist, but I DO believe it is fairly difficult for a man to speak of an issue such as this without SOUNDING sexist. I also think that the press and Republicans have played this about as far as they should. Hillary is not the person I'll vote for in the next election (I say that now, but may have a change of heart later on). But good lord, people need to realize that the question and answer periods are becoming dumber and dumber and are destined to reach new lows before this is all over. This is a wonderful time in our nation, a black and a woman are both vying for the office of the Presidency, so someone asks the woman who does her hair, and how she gets it all done?
My answer for the questioner would have been something else entirely. I would have asked him (or her) how the hell THEY do it? How do you ask inane questions and still "claim" that you are doing it because the American public wants the truth. How in the world do you justify your own stupidity in the face of a history-making election? But more importantly, with all the terrible things happening in this world, with all the problems the United States faces in this decade, why would the idea of a woman actually being successful bother you so much that you'd have to ask her an incredibly ignorant question in front of the cameras.
Are you wrong? Nope, not in my book. Although an emotional response certainly isn't exclusive to women, Hillary HAD to know, going into this race, that ANY response seen as emotional would give her detractors the chance to say, "see? She's a woman. She's very emotional. Think about how she'll handle an international crisis!" I truly think we need another person like Roosevelt - speak softly and carry a big stick - in the White House, be they male or female. We need someone who is capable of feeling and showing emotion, but someone who understands that they must govern with logic and reason.
All I could say about Hilary is using to be "emotional" to gain votes. Good thing it's not working!
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