June 20, 2009

  • Just don't shoot the messenger....

    As Bob Dylan sang, you don't have to be a weatherman to tell which way the wind is blowing...

    Published on Monday, June 15, 2009 by TruthDig.com

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  • I am so thankful for a garden,canning shelves and a spring for water!

  • As my head spins I think I will pour another galss of wine

  • @seedsower - And your house paid for, I hope?  Those things will stand you in good stead.  I, of course, am not so fortunate.

  • and if there is one thing for sure, I really have a hard time understanding the workings of world financial markets

  • @valis10 - Well, Jim, your own Xanga page starts out by proclaiming "Fear No Darkness".  If you follow your own advice, you should be all set. 

  • Yes John, it is. We own very little in the way of worldly things like big TV's and electronics,new cars...we make do or do without...but it has enabled us to live debt free.

  • haha I am smiling now!  but I will be buying that 9mm pistol as soon as I can get to the store.

  • THIS IS NOT THE SORT OF NEWS I LIKE TO WAKE UP TO, JOHN!

    Screw this. I'm moving to Canada.

  • A very well informed post, as usual.  People need to wake up to these facts and stop thinking America is still the land of milk and honey.  As things get worse, most Americans are looking to the government to bail them out of their financial difficulties and don't realize that Uncle Sams helping everyone is one of the many reasons we are where we are today.  You don't post often but when you do, it's always exceptional.

  • "The class war is back in business!" A very interesting text. I'm in Europe, with money in France and England. I suspect the Euro will become a very storng currency soon and figure I'd better get my sterling into France before sterling follows the dollar into the big black hole.

  • My brother sent me something similar recently.  He's been crying gloom and doom and buying up weapons like a crazy man.  I don't want to stick my head in the sand, but neither do I want to give in to depair.

  • Hello~  I'm finally making my way back slowly to xanga.
    Thanks for the article.  Weird how I can't find any articles about the meeting on FT, Economist, or WSJ...  I think all the mainstream media outlets are too busy woo-ahhing over the role of Twitter in getting out the Iran news.

    This VOA article was slightly interesting but too short on details.
    http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-06-16-voa13.cfm

    "Summit host Dmitri Medvedev called for new standards
    to regulate international financial markets and institutions. He again
    urged creation of new international reserve currencies, saying the
    global system cannot be successful if it relies on the U.S. dollar. 
    The Russian leader also noted the need for cooperation in such areas as
    energy, trade, food production, and security."

  • @gpspacey - It's good to see you again, Grace.  Here's another article about this new Sino-Soviet rapprochement, from the June 14 issue of the London-based Financial Times:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e9104e82-58f7-11de-80b3-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1

    I've seen other articles about it also.

  • @fratmom - @Eccentrique - 

    Thank you Frat Mom for asking me to weigh in on this issue. After doing some research on the above writer, Chris Hedges, I can honestly say that I am on my way to having a new addition to my wall of thinkers and writers I admire. His  book on the apologist atheist and the religious right both seem spot on in analysis and his reasoning on the handful of youtube interviews I have viewed leave me with a healthy respect for the Harvard thinker.

    That said there are many points in this particular article that I object to, objection it should be noted not from anger, but simple disagreement.

    The overarching thesis of this column is that the U.S. dollar has declined to the point that the U.S. will now face permanent damage as a world superpower.

    This analysis is based on the observation that the U.S. is now deep in debt, not only to its own people, but also various other foreign countries throughout the world.

    Hedges claims that the various other emerging powers (India, China, Brazil) and old foes (Russia, Iran) are now in league to drive America out of the picture in Eurasia. He cites as evidence for this claim the recently formed Shanghai Cooperation Organization. Hedges makes it seem like the SCO is just now pushing the U.S. out of its membership by denying the States a seat in this organization now, as it discusses the global financial situation. This is a misrepresentation of facts. The U.S. applied for observer status long before the above mentioned conference and was denied entry as late as 2005. This exclusion has nothing to do with the state of the dollar but instead the overarching goal of the SCO, which is to serve as a counter to the power of NATO. Hedges conviently fails to mention that not a single full fledged western nation of NATO is a full member of SCO.

    The argument could be made that the mere formation of SCO shows the U.S. is in permanent decline but this claim shows a serious lack of international history. The Central Powers, the Axis Powers, the League of Nations, the European Union, the Soviet Union are all examples of powerful international alliances (well to call the League powerful may be a stretch) that did not include the U.S. for various reasons. The U.S. was able to survive every single one, and in many ways competed quite well.

    Finally Hedges makes many speculations and attempts to pass them off as the gospel, "And it signals the last gasp of the American imperium. That’s over. It is not coming back." I say this with respect, but Hedges is not a fortune teller with a magic crystal ball. This borderlines on fear mongering, because there is no way that one can prove or disprove that claim.

    Inflation and the fall of the dollar is serious, but the Fed has the power to print (what it has recently done) to stave off a deep recession, but it also has the power to pull that currency out of the market before inflation occurs. This will be difficult but we did it before and despite what Hedges claims we can do it again. The recession will eventually end, that much people can be sure of, but to draw the conclusion from the recession that the U.S. is finished is oversimplifying and laughable.

    After watching Hedges in interviews I am seriously surprised that he authored this article. If I did not know better I would say that someone is using his name.

  • @Confessions_of_a_Liberal - Very good analysis... though I have to disagree on some points.

    "The U.S. applied for observer status long
    before the above mentioned conference and was denied entry as late as
    2005. This exclusion has nothing to do with the state of the dollar but
    instead the overarching goal of the SCO, which is to serve as a counter
    to the power of NATO." 

    That would've been helpful if the author mentioned it... thanks for the research.   FT article that Eccentrique shared with me also says the same thing: "US officials wanted to attend Yekaterinburg as observers. They were told no."  Perhaps both your finding and the authors are correct?  US could've been denied in 2005, then again in 2009?  Just speculating, but I don't see why US would've given up trying to attend SCO.  Perhaps Obama administration thought they would be treated differently from W.

    "Inflation and the fall of the dollar is
    serious, but the Fed has the power to print (what it has recently done)
    to stave off a deep recession, but it also has the power to pull that
    currency out of the market before inflation occurs."

    I thought most central banks had the power to print money (except for EU's central bank, I believe?), so why is US Fed so special?  The power to pull currency out of the market comes either from increasing interest rates (which would exascerbate the inflationary trend), or by issuing more long-term debt (didn't the Fed buy back a lot of TBills lately to increase liquidity?).  I'm no economist so what I understand is rather basic, but these two things don't seem like a good solution to the current dollar problem when so many buyers are weary of the US debt.

    You're right that Hedges sounds like fear mongering, but if the threat looks real, based on cool-headed analysis, on mounting evidence, then perhaps raising the alarm is a good thing?   Like Jim Hansen is considered a fear monger for the gloom-doom warnings about global warming, but Hansen has been proven consistently right in his past predictions, and no there is no way to prove/disprove his claims because he's working in an uncharted territory.  The dollar crisis feels the same, except it's not going to threaten humanity... just our crazy way of living.

  • @Confessions_of_a_Liberal - Thank you for the detailed analysis.  It brings some hope to a tired old body.

  • @gpspacey - Long time no talk, glad to hear from you. As I'm sure you know I have left Pilgrim of Truth and am now having a good ol' time over here at Confessions. Stop by sometime. You're views are always welcome.

    I agree that Hedges was correct in stating that the U.S. was denied entry into SCO but I disagree with the way he presented the fact. In this column he makes it appear as if the SCO did so out of fear of the faltering economy, not the fact that SCO would never allow the U.S. in for its main purpose, which is to challenge the monopoly of NATO.

    I too am by no means an economist but the Fed has the power to regulate the flow of currency. My point of including it in the response was to show that Hedges analysis of the dollar being sentenced to death is incorrect. There are still options open for the American people to rebound their currency.

    Hedges analysis is different from Global Warming advocates because in the latter case Hedges is dealing with an occurence of social science, and a phenomena that has many, many variables. Therefore to predict his outcome with such certainty is off base. Global warming has to deal with natural science, and is confirmed by many different researchers.

    Hedges claims COULD come true, but the probablity of everything occuring in the exact manner that he described is highly improbable.

  • @fratmom - Glad I could help. Thanks for stopping by the site. Don't be a stranger, I always enjoy talking to engaged, and energetic bloggers.

  • It's simple what they're doing right now, eliminating the poor and keep the rich. But guess what? The rich depends on the poor to multiply their wealth and it has been for wow, since the beginning of time, without that tactic, are they gonna be working as a greeter at wal-mart, cut some rich lawn or counting their money at a bank? 

  • @Confessions_of_a_Liberal - @gpspacey - There's a lot more economics in the article than either of you has alluded to.  None of us is an economist, so we're all kind of pissing in the wind, so to speak.  I just know that our military power, and the fact that the dollar has been the world's default currency for so long, has somehow allowed us to exploit the rest of the world while keeping our own prices (on oil, for example), artificially low, thus subsidizing our profligate American lifestyle.  Now that the rest of the world has gotten wise - not only this new Sino-Soviet rapprochement, but the European Union and the nascent alliance of Central and South American countries - our domination of the world is essentially over.  The American rich will continue to thrive - in large part because their wealth isn't really even tied any more to America - but the poor and middle class in America will suffer an even further erosion of their standard of living.  Whoever thinks we're going to somehow bounce back and be the America that we were in the 1950s and 1960s is living in a dream world.

  • @Eccentrique - @fratmom - @gpspacey - I take a different stance then Hedges or you Eccentrique in the light of the 21st century international political arrangement. My thinking is much more in line with Fareed Zakaria of Newsweek in his views that the U.S. should not fear the rise of other countries but be happy that the dream America has had of the rest of the world industrializing and rising up is finally here. This view is well explained in his article The Rise of the Rest and his book by the same title.

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